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Despite suspicion about McCain among Christian conservatives, a recent poll by CNN/Opinion Research Corp. found that 67% of white evangelical voters favor McCain, while 24% support Obama.

Your last paragraph is so true - maybe YOU should run for President!!

Superbrowns,

I agree with your post to a certain extent. It did seem that McCain was very prepared with his answers and some were good answers.

However, I think that Obama's intentions is to show this thoughtful side and that he values input from others, and that he does not make decisions in a vacuum. This may or may not resonate with the voters.

Personally, I like this side of him and I do believe he can make a decision in a moment's notice and stick by that decision.

This forum was supposed to be a conversation with Rick Warren not a campaign stump. McCain played it as a campaign stump, Obama as a conversation with Rick Warren.

Thereby McCain's answers were pandering to the audience (national audience and those in attendance) and everything was "war" related as this is his only frame of reference. Obama was showing his personal side and letting the voters get to know him as a person not a candidate.

Rick Warren said he does believe in separation of Church and State, but he does not believe in separation of faith & politics and how it relates to the candidates world view and that is what the forum was about.

Therefore this discussion should have been more focused on the candidates faith and how it relates to political decisions and actions.

If your judging the candidates based on this premise then Obama did rise to the challenge. He tied all his answers to his faith and values and in order to make the connection of faith, politics and their world view, one line answers and quick responses don't get it.

I judge McCain's answers to his fai

Obama's answer about abortion and his comment that is above my pay grade, to me, meant that when life begins is in God's hand he is not qualified to answer that question considering this forum was about faith. How do we know when life begins? Example:
When a chicken lays an egg, we can take that egg from the chicken and eat it. We say we are eating an egg. If we leave that egg with that chicken it will hatch into a baby chick. Therefore, at what point does conception take place? Does it take place when the sperm enters the egg? Or is it still just an egg at that point.

As the President of the United States the free world he would have to have the ability to look at all issues from all points of view. There are many points of view of this subject. The case for abortion went to the Supreme Court with Roe V Wade and there is a decision. I believe that whatever choice a woman makes in a free society should be her choice; she and only she will have to answer to a higher power for her decision.

He further stated for those who believe life begins with conception and this is there view consistently then he will not argue with that he would support that person’s position.

He also asked if the question related to scientific view or moral view?(not verbatim) He then went on to say that what he believes in and feels strongly about is creating situations where there would not be a need for abortions. He is being realistic about this issue. Women will still get abortions regardless.

He also said he is pro-life and not pro-abortion. How can a one line

I really like how every now & then you seem to suggest that you're actually taking the time to make a well informed & thoughtful choice between these two candidates as if you haven’t already made up your mind long ago…Obama could be videotaped shooting a bunch of people in broad daylight and you would still support him, that much is obvious.

What this discussion with Reverend Warren illuminated in no uncertain terms is that McCain is ready to assume the role as our next President already, and would be prepared, wise & decisive in that role.

You can try to sugarcoat it all you want, but Obama’s “above my pay grade” comment was a major gaffe, and one we will likely see in future ads…after all, he’s trying to convince us that he is already prepared to assume this Nation’s highest possible pay grade, but he has a serious problem with people who believe that abortion is always wrong, based on his previous stances & voting record on the subject so as he is often prone to do when not reading from a teleprompter, he waffled, and tried to pontificate because in reality he was stumped and knew he didn’t have an acceptable answer.

I also noticed that in a 1 hour discussion about faith, conducted by a pastor & located in a church, quite a few questions were asked about religion & each candidates’ beliefs, and ‘ol Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s name never even came up once…after all, this was the guy who supposedly “introduced” Obama to Christ, married him & Michelle, baptized both their children and mentored Obama for about two decades, but he would not be considered a trusted adv

Excerpt from the Washington Post:

In his answers, Obama described many of his positions, even on taxes and energy, in the language of a devout Christian. When asked about his "greatest moral failing," he discussed his teenage drug and alcohol use, attributing it to "a certain selfishness on my part. I was so obsessed with me, and the reasons why I might be dissatisfied, that I couldn't focus on other people..."

"I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and I am redeemed through him," Obama told Warren. "That is a source of strength and sustenance on a daily basis."

This particular newspaper also saw that Obama was sticking to what the forum was about Faith and politics. As noted in this post. We still don't know where McCain is on faith, we don't know if he even goes to church, what church, what religion he is. He side stepped the issue of faith with war stories from Viet Nam.

He pandered to the right wing conservative voters on Abortion, Gay Marriage and stem cell.

Hacksaw, I have always taken the time to research and make a thoughtful choice for president. Just because I don't buy into petty issues about Obama and have the ability to know what is real and what is not, does not mean that I am not thoughtful and informed. You and others tried to put a label on all Obama supporters because we did not buy into your logic and way of thinking. So what if I decided a several months ago to throw my support behind Obama. I knew what I needed in order to support him.

Hacksaw said: McCain was quick & decisive,

MG says: He who speaks without modesty w

Hacksaw said: McCain was quick & decisive:

MG says:

The superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions. Confucius,

and

The superior man...does not set his mind either for anything, or against anything; what is right he will follow. Confucius

You got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything - Aaron Tippin

Man who goes to bed with itchy butt wakes up with stinky finger - Unknowen


Baptist, If you watched the show McCain stated his beliefs, and he also answered questions on faith with personal experiences, isn't that what everyone does to explain why they believe, thats what Obama did with the whole drug thing, but I won't put Obama's experience next to McCains, It wouldn't be fair.

You can say that someone shouldn't take a solid stand on any issue, I would say you must take a stand on all issues, everyone talks about flip flopping but that's how life is. When a personal experience happens to you and it makes you change your stand or your view. I say you shouldn't have an aboration, I also say it's a womans choice, I also believe it is a baby when conceived.
MG you brought up a good point with a chicken laying an egg, as you know I raise chickens and everyone knows that a chicken layes an egg reguardless if a roster is there or not, so if the roster isn't there then it is just an egg, it would have to be fertile to be conceived as is for a women.
When one says that it is above my pay grade, I would have to say they are just trying to avoid the question as Obama did when he followed up with the rest of the answer, if he is pro choice then there is nothing wrong with that, so again I ask what kind of question was that, you explain how you took it, and I explain how I took it, I wonder what his answer would be

Obama really don't need all the evangelicals anyway. They are going to be divided among, McCain, Obama, Nader and Barr if he is still in the race.

You do know that it came out today that McCain was a 1/2 hour late to the forum and it's highly suspect that he listened to the interview with Obama and had the questions and answers when he arrived.

It was obvious to viewers during the show by the way he answered the questions and the remarks between him and Rick Warren that something was fishy.

It would be one thing to suspect something fishy but to get it confirmed is another. Rev Warren knew McCain was not there when he told everyone that McCain was in sound proof room. He lied to us, and McCain lied to him when he said he did not listen to Obama's interview.

Cheaters never win... and winners never cheat.

Who won the discussion at the Saddleback Civil Forum yesterday - Obama or McCain? To answer that question, NBC’s Andrea Mitchell apparently believes we should consider whether McCain may have cheated (from MSNBC via Newsbusters):