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Teens Kill Woman During High-Speed Chase
Aug 8, 2007 | 5:01 PM
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Children today definitely do not have respect for the law and most have not been taught how to set boundaries for themselves nor how to deal with peer pressure.  Most of them don’t even respect their parents – and the PARENTS don’t command or demand respect.    Many children come from such dysfunctional backgrounds - they don't stand a chance.  Many are raising themselves.

 

But it isn’t always the fault of parents.   There are young people who come from some of the best families you can imagine.  But for some reason, when they’re “out of site” of mom and dad, they forget everything they’ve been taught NOT to do and DO just what they want.

Young people just don’t think about the consequences of their actions  and unfortunately, the consequences in this incident were a family's worst nightmare.

 

The incorrigible teenagers involved in this weekend's tragic high-speed car chase will only be locked up until they are 21 – if that.   They WON'T be rehabilitated so at 21 they WILL re-enter society – and then -  heaven help us all.

 

Some people have suggested that the age for the death penalty should be lowered.   Do we really want to become a nation that electrocutes adolescent teenagers?

What’s the answer?   Can the problems of our youth be simply assigned to poor parenting or is there a larger and more complex societal issue to consider?

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klh1886 read my blog view my photos
Aug 8, 2007 | 6:06 PM

I had a comment and I think it got lost. But I said. I think we have produced a generation of sociopaths. These children do not care. They have no feelings and no remorse. They feel they are entitled for things they do not work for. Yes we have a lot of dysfunctional families but there are more and more children coming from loving families with the same results. Even if they do not go out and commit horrific crimes they do not care about education or work ethics. They throw away opportunities to be able to become a contributing member of society and think nothing of it. they also feel entitled but feel they do not have to work for it. What has happened? How has it come to this? How can we fix and continue to fix a generation like this? I wish I knew.
BuffyBlizzardSlayer read my blog view my photos
Aug 9, 2007 | 1:01 AM

That journalist for the PD said that one kid was crying, said that he would never forget the sound of the car hitting the woman. She claims "that's remorse."

BS! That is a savvy lawyer priming the kid on what to say to make people feel sorry for him. That kid was crying for himself and the trouble he is in.

I used to be a teacher. Had my skull cracked open when one whipped a dictionary at me when I turned to write on the board.

We had a saying up in New York.

The Teachers are afraid of the principal.
The Principal is afraid of the superintendent.
The Superintendent is afraid of the Board.
The Board is afraid of the voters/Parents.
The Parents are afraid of their kids.

And the kids? They're not afraid of anyone.

Just keep letting your kids desensitize themselves on violent rap lyrics, movies, video games. Soon they well be unable to empathize with any human suffering--they'll think their teacher's blood splattered on the walls of their classroom is "cool" too. And they will refuse to speak to law enforcement to identify the kid who threw the dictionary. You parents make sure to back them up in this.

Keep defending your kid when a teacher, a neighbor, your local librarian, or cop calls to tell you he is not behaving. Call the person a racist--say that he/she deserves it because he/she "disrespects" your child.

Don't teach your kid that respect is EARNED--NOT GIVEN. Let him go on believing that he can act "as bad as he wanna be" and still be respected.

Let him walk around with his pants around his knees, looking like a thug. Spellin
BuffyBlizzardSlayer read my blog view my photos
Aug 9, 2007 | 1:08 AM

Why was my post truncated in the middle of a sentence?

Here is the rest of it:

Spelling? Grammar? Being able to formulate an intelligent sentence? That's just a bunch of hooey! Your kids don't need any of that. They're entitled!

Then, when nobody hires them, feed their anger with lies about how they are the victims of racism. Don't make them accountable for anything. It's the white man's fault.

Then, when your kid is standing in front of a judge, blame society. Just remember, when you're pointing the finger of blame at someone else, three of your own fingers are pointing right back at you.
rickyw read my blog view my photos
Aug 9, 2007 | 7:17 AM

whats a sawy lawyer? i dont think we should lock up the kids...we should lock up the parents....the problem comes when parents care more about their mercedes or their dodge kingcab pickup truck than they do their duty as parents...if they had to bear the burden for never showing up at a parents night at school..or never asking..is your homework done...maybe theyd see the light...let the parents defend themselves as parents or risk imprisonment
hdrider read my blog
Aug 9, 2007 | 7:29 AM

Suck it up, we don't matter in the scheme of this country. If you are in a minority, you can get away with this. Look in the paper everyday. This Mayor who belittled Mayor Cambell, has set on his hands far too long. Was this not the very same thing as murder by a handgun?
lovelyhoney read my blog
Aug 9, 2007 | 8:33 AM

Klhh1886

I agree with you. From urban to suburban, loving parents to uncaring parents, across cultures – most American teens do not seem to care about education or work ethics. But whose to blame? There is something about our great American, capitalistic society that is breaking down – and you’re right – we’re raising a generation of sociopaths.

But I will say this – I feel it starts with the parents and parents today aren’t disciplining their children. I had a “healthy fear” for my mother and father until the day they died. These kids don’t fear anything - so why should they fear the police, teachers, neighbors, etc. These parents today let their kids get a way with talking back, hitting them, you name it. When I go shopping, I am always startled at the bad behavior that is overlooked and tolerated by parents. The temper tantrums, the talking back, cursing, lack of manners, etc.

And if I hear another parent claim that you can’t discipline your child because they’ll call the police…spare me!

My teenage niece cursed at her mother (a single parent) one time and my sister “mopped up the floor with her.” Do you know that brat had the nerve to go behind my sister’s back and call 911. When the police came (of course my sister was shocked), they asked what was going on. My sister told them what happened. The police told my sister – “Well Ms.-----, it appears you have things under control here.” They told my niece that if she didn’t want more of what my sister gave her, she’d better loose the dirty vocabulary. Today – that brat is in the Nav
lovelyhoney read my blog
Aug 9, 2007 | 8:36 AM

CONTINUED...Klhh1886

Today – that brat is in the Navy doing a tour duty overseas in Barain.

There is a saying – “the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree.” If we’re raising a generation of sociopaths, what does that say about the generation that’s suppose to be raising them?

More questions than answers.
lovelyhoney read my blog
Aug 9, 2007 | 8:41 AM

CONTINUED....klh1886 (comment split)

Today – that brat is in the Navy doing a tour duty overseas in Barain.

There is a saying – “the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree.” If we’re raising a generation of sociopaths, what does that say about the generation that’s suppose to be raising them?

More questions than answers.
klh1886 read my blog view my photos
Aug 9, 2007 | 8:57 AM

yep I know. One of my daughters tried to hit me. She got the same thing your niece did! Ummmmmm. Are you serious. She got a big surprise! I personally do not care if they call the police. Have at it. My children have always been taught right from wrong, school is important, and work ethics. I will say that out of 5. Three are doing well and I really don't know about the other two. They have stayed in the "I don't care" faze for far to long. Even though they are not hardened criminals there future looks rather dim. Not because of us. Because we tried everything to help these two. They have made a choice that only they can change. Too bad for them. They will have a very hard life a head of them.
lovelyhoney read my blog
Aug 9, 2007 | 12:02 PM

Exactly - you did your job, the rest is up to them. You didn't say how old they are, but hopefully, they'll wake up and smell the coffee. As my parents would say - some kids are determined to go to the "school of hard knocks."

Also, even the best of parents have a difficult time navigating their children through this stuff we call "life" - these young people today have so many negative influences coming at them - there are far too many "bad roads" for them to go down.

Thanks for your comments.
klh1886 read my blog view my photos
Aug 9, 2007 | 12:11 PM

The two I have the continuing problems with are 17 and 19.
klh1886 read my blog view my photos
Aug 9, 2007 | 12:13 PM

Oh. The other three are 20, 21, and 25
lovelyhoney read my blog
Aug 9, 2007 | 1:07 PM

hdrider:

You and Buffylizzard need to quit with the race baiting. I can sort of understand poor Buffy's slant on things - he apparently taught in the New York Public school system and got hit in the head with a book. Sorry Buffy. During my student teaching, a student threatened to kick my black a#! I told her, oh yeah - raise ya hand to me and I'm going to knock the hell out of ya! She never gave me anymore trouble. But I was student teaching in Akron - far cry from New York City.

But minorities do not get away with crime in this country no more than white people. For the most part, if THEY do the crime - THEY will do the time - just as it should be (...unless you're OJ or somebody - but that's a whole other issue).

As for your mayor, the crime in Cleveland didn't start with him - but I will agree - he does seem to be MIA.

But I still ask the question - what are the solutions? White and black kids are on drugs, dealing drugs, fighting with and cursing out their parents and any other authority figure, carrying guns, shooting guns, killing people, etc.

Nothings going to be solved by pointing the finger at each other. As this tragic incident shows us, we're all in the same "sinking" boat and we better figure out how to fix this bad boy fast.
lovelyhoney read my blog
Aug 9, 2007 | 1:21 PM

k1h1886:

My hat off to you. 17 and 19 - those are tough ages. But stand YOUR ground. Don't change your rules or standards - the same criteria you had for your three successful children - same goes for these two - whether they like it or not. STAY ON THEM - STAY IN THEIR FACES!

...and if they choose to do "wrong" - regardless of what you read on these blogs - it's not always the parents fault. Some young people make bad choices - bottom line. As I said before - they just have to go to the "school of hard knocks."

Good Luck!
klh1886 read my blog view my photos
Aug 9, 2007 | 1:31 PM

Thank you and yes I agree.
looneysinger read my blog
Aug 9, 2007 | 7:13 PM

yes i agree with all of you. the children today do not care about anyone but what they can get handed to them. i got my but beat when i stepped out of line and punished to the max. not the kids today. all you hear oh! my son or daughter would never do that! but, before you know it they are sitting in the courtroom with their kid crying their eyes out! then the kids sit there with no remorse. then they get out of juvenile at 21 and out on the streets to do what they want and then end up in prison. they think they are to big and bad for the system. shame on them and shame on their parents
BuffyBlizzardSlayer read my blog view my photos
Aug 9, 2007 | 9:59 PM

Number one, I amd NOT male. I was an age 40-plus NEW, first year teacher when the thug..er..I mean student cracked my skull open by whipping a 15 pound dictionary at my head.

I nearly died.

All my life I dreamed of being an English teacher. I spent nearly $50,000 on a first class, ivy league education as an adult learner once my own children were all in school full time. Now, my seizures make me unemployable as a teacher.
MsLadyScorpio read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2007 | 12:29 PM

If you think about it, it all started when they made it against the law to give your children a good butt wooping when they mess up bad.
clevebtch read my blog view my photos
Aug 11, 2007 | 8:13 AM

RickyW - how can you say that the parents need to be punished when, if you look at the overall picture (and as MsLadyScorpio said above), our government and society have removed the RIGHT to be proper parents by removing the right to discipline the children. If you look, it is against the law, now, for a parent to even give a smack on the rear to their kids. Makes it a bit difficult to punish them.

You must not be a parent or you would never state such nonsense. A parent can only do so much for a child and no matter how well the parent tries to instill goodness in their kids, you will always get a bad seed somewhere. When grounding doesn't work, a good @$$ kicking should be in order. However, that is not permitted in today's society or the parent goes to jail.

And, by punishing the parent and locking them up, what good will that do? The troublemaker would still be out walking the streets. The damage is done - they're thugs and without the proper punishment/rehabilitation, they will still head out in trouble's way.

No, I believe if you do the crime, you do the time - regardless of the age of the criminal. If you are competent and adult enough to perform such hideous acts, then you're old enough to endure maximum punishment by law.

I realize that there are parents who don't care and allow their kids to run wild, but the MAJORITY of the parents do what they need to do to ensure their kids grow up as decent people. However, it has been made an impossible task by many to instill proper behavioral techniques and punishments today.

So, blame society and our
clevebtch read my blog view my photos
Aug 11, 2007 | 8:20 AM

*cont'd.*

So, blame society and our government - not all parents. That is a HUGE contributor to today's problems with kids. Not enough discipline early on in life because most parents feel they don't have a leg to stand on with punishment issues. And, the kids know this. "You hit me, and I call 696-kids and you go to jail." Kids literally make those threats. I've seen it first-hand with some of the friends of my daughter's.

However, as a parent, I have informed my daughter that she better never threaten me with that tactic. You wanna cause trouble, you deal with me - 696-kids or not. She does know right from wrong and also knows better than to cross me. I only wish more parents had the guts to stand up to their kids AND our society's outlook on the punishment issue. Punish your kids and let the state take care and support all of them. Then, when the state has more kids than they have room or money, maybe they'll lighten up a bit on it.
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lovelyhoney

I am a former secretary/business instructor. I am currently finishing up my graduate program for school counseling. I love children (all ages) - especially my nieces and nephews. I enjoy planting flowers and working in the yard. I love home improvement TV shows - my favorite is Flip This House and Trading Spaces and I am a Sopranos junky going through withdrawal. My pet peeve: Narrowminded people.

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