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A Logical Christian View of Evolution
Sep 29, 2007 | 4:11 PM
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     In the past few months there have been a few blogs on Creationism vs. Evolution. I believe that one can be a Christian and still believe in Evolution.

     The universe has a mind-boggling complexity and diversity. Life overwhelms us with the appearance of  design. A design that evolved over millions of years to life as we know it today on Earth. A life that no other planet (that we know of) has. It is not unreasonable to say that this design had a "master designer" (God).  Accepting that an intelligent Creator designed the universe by evolution can lead us to investigate the nature of his intelligent manifestation.

     For those of you who like Bible quotes, (Job 38:18) the Creator asks Job, "Have you intelligently considered the broad spaces of the earth"? Actually, that whole Chapter 38 of Job is God telling Job , for quite a few pages, how he created the earth and how hard it is for Job to understand the breadth of this task. God does not say how long this took. These passages certainly do not suggest any stifling of scientific investigation. On the contrary, God invites a study of his handiwork.

     Isaiah, in Chapter 40, says that the Lord is the creator of the ends of the earth - he does not faint or grow weary.  So how can we prove that God did NOT create the universe by evolution?

     Acceptance of the existence of a Creator does NOT hinder scientific process. The quest for more comprehensive knowledge in both physical and spiritual matters is open-ended and eternal. Ecclesiastes, Chapter 3, states, "Man cannot fully understand the work God has done from the beginning to the end". God created the physical laws that govern matter and energy, laws which scientists are still studying.

     Finally, we need to consider the question of common sense. Commenting on the validity of scientifc theories, science writer John Horgan observes: "When the evidence is tentative, we should not be embarrassed to call on common sense for guidance." Common sense tells us that science has factual proof of the age of the earth and how it evolved. I do not find it incompatible within my faith to believe that God created the universe through evolution, that he created the physical laws of the universe that caused the universe to evolve over millions of years. The same physical laws that hold our universe together to this day.

 

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girlscout read my blog view my photos
Sep 29, 2007 | 4:13 PM

Okay, gorbash. You asked me to do a blog on a serious subject with a Christian viewpoint, so here it is.
gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2007 | 1:13 PM

Nice job, it's got to be done in your own personal style and with the facts that are revelevant.

I think you should continue along this line, because I have Midterms and many papers to write and will not have the time to blog, and the Mice will try their Right Wing propoganda tricks while I'm away. So someone is going to need to push forward.

Do not sit and wait for the Republicans and Conservatives to attack your beliefs in Science and Faith, in order to make progress, you must PUSH THEM, do not wait for them to attack you. Do not hold ground, take ground.

Attack their strengths, not their weaknesses. Attack Conservatism itself, not the Republican party, Attack the legacy of their heroes like Reagan and Hannity. So that they will be forced to choose between their ridiculous beliefs and worldviews, and change.

Do not wait for Conservatives to post about topics that are important to you, YOU MUST POST FIRST AND PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD. You will be attacked, insulted, and threatened. Do not let it bother you, you are on solid ground and they are not.
girlscout read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2007 | 6:32 PM

It took me a long time to write this. Thought about it for weeks - starting putting sentences and paragraphs together in my head - had to research Bible quotes, etc. I don't know how you find the time to write so much! I would like to do one on man's oneness with nature and how our modern society is the first generation of people who do NOT live off the land and have lost that tie with the natural world around them. (Inspired by my recent trip to Alaska). Anyway, I'll save the rest of that rhetoric for the blog!
My mother-in-law passed away a few weeks ago, so we are very busy writing out thank you notes, cleaning out her house (a monumental task - 50 years of "stuff"), putting it up for sale, etc. Hopefully, I will get out another blog before the end of October. (My inspiration for this blog will be a week in a cabin in Pennsylvania in mid-October). Maybe I'll start writing it there.
TheShadowKnows read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2007 | 10:45 AM

girlscout,
I just thought that I would comfirm that I consider myself to be a conservative Republican. Now no one needs to assume. I must say that in general I agree with your views on evolution.
While on this sort of subject I'll probably start a lot of discussion when I say that I also believe that there are other intelligent beings else where in the Universe. Very likely to be humonoid also.
Of course I don't have any proof of this. But I've considered the odds and commone sense tells me that we humans are probably not alone in the Universe.
girlscout read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2007 | 1:02 PM

I have not seen any evidence or proof of other alien life, but I am open-minded and think that there probably is other intelligent life out there somewhere.
HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2007 | 2:49 PM

II Timothy 4:3,4 warns "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. "

Evolution teaches that death and bloodshed existed virtually from the beginning. Millions of years of animals fighting for survival, shedding blood and eating each other is part of the mechanisms of evolution which brought man into existence. It is completely contrary to the Biblical history of the world. Evolution says that death plus struggle brought man into existence, the bible says man's actions led to sin, which led to death. These two are totally contradictory.
HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2007 | 3:34 PM

Consider the words from an unknown author in American Atheist Magazine: "Christianity is --must be-- totally committed to the special creation as described in Genesis, and Christianity must fight with its full might against the theory of evolution. And here is why, In Romans 5:12 we read that sin entered the world through on man, and through sin, death: and thus death has spread through the whole human race because everyone has sinned. The whole Justification of Jesus' life and death is predicated on the existence of Adam and the forbidden fruit he and Eve ate. Without Adam's fall into a life of constant sin terminated by death, what purpose is there to Christianity? None."

No Bible-believing Christian could have said it better. Evolution denies the need for, and therefore the existence of, God. - Makes it easy to reconcile Gorbash's support of your view.
girlscout read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2007 | 4:54 PM

I find it hard to believe that you take to heart something you read in an Atheist magazine! You may preach and interpret the Bible any way you want - I still believe in God and evolution. Adam and Eve could have arrived along the evolutionary line when the first "human" as we know it today came upon the scene. I have given you Bible passages that do not deny evolution. My faith's interpretation. You may interpret them differently. Why are you right and i am wrong? Evolution does NOT deny the existence of God. As I stated, the universe is a wonderful, complex, complicated design. One I believe is not haphazard coincidence. And what does animals eating each other have to do with anything? Humans eat animals too, so I don't quite get that connection. Since the history of man there have been cannibals. Does this negate our creation by God?
So, in other words, your telling me that because I believe in evolution I am damned to hell? Very arrogant of you! I'll let God judge the way I have lived my life. You are so passionate about changing my mind. I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind. Just giving my belief in evolution.
Ellak read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2007 | 9:21 PM

girlscout

Very well written. I must admit and agree, this universe is so vast wonderful and complex that I just don't think it apeared one day by accident? and if it did, Some great being had to of started that process also. That being or entity is what I would have to call god, after all the creater of the whole process of this vast universe some how created us. Humans and animals, stars the sun, oceans are far to perfect to be a accident? Everthing out their came from somwhere. I love wondering about it all. I also wonder if we will ever find the right answer? Untill then We can all agree,the universa is surely amazing, is it not?
girlscout read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2007 | 9:38 PM

Thank you and yes the universe IS amazing!
HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 8:49 AM

GS:"So, in other words, your telling me that because I believe in evolution I am damned to hell? " -- I never wrote that. I just commented that the two belief systems were contradictory. If you believe I have judged you to hell, you are wrong. That must be your conscience warning you of something.

"Very arrogant of you! I'll let God judge the way I have lived my life." -- That is big of you. I'm sure He is happy with your decision.

You referenced "Matthew 22: 34" to me a few days ago. So then, what does it mean to Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind? Does it start by believing what He has told us about Himself and His creation? What does that look like, as you understand it?
HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 9:04 AM

See, you called you Blog a “Logical” Christian view. I showed you where that logic falls apart and you get all “PMS” on me and call me arrogant. I point out again, that your views on God pleased Gorbash, an atheist. That should have been a warning sign on your failed logic.
huntermorrison read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 9:38 AM

why cant the book of genesis be a metaphor? moses wrote it many many years after adam and eve would have existed. remember there was other civilizations when the hebrews where writing and forming the bible and these civilizations where also writing their beliefs. christians call them mythology or paganism, but there are alot of simularities to the bible in other ancient religions. you all can argue THE TRUTH all you want but the only truth you will find is what makes you feel comfort.
huntermorrison read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 9:42 AM

why cant the book of genesis be a metaphor? moses wrote it many many years after adam and eve would have existed. remember there was other civilizations when the hebrews where writing and forming the bible and these civilizations where also writing their beliefs. christians call them mythology or paganism, but there are alot of simularities to the bible in other ancient religions. you all can argue THE TRUTH all you want but the only truth you will find is what makes you feel comfort. so unless your god stands in front of you and says his piece in front of you, we can only argue opinion. the question though is where did we start from because we are still evolving and always will. look at the migratory patterns of humans and you can see the evolution of color, language, and beliefs.
girlscout read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 10:22 AM

hybrid - I think what the words of Timothy are warning me about is YOU.
The two belief systems are NOT contradictory in my eyes - only yours.
The only thing my conscience is warning me about is listening to an extreme right wing Christian who thinks he is the absolute expert on God's word.
Please do not stoop so low as to say I have PMS because you do not like what I say. First of all, I am beyond the PMS years, so don't go all testosterone on me. Second of all, you must be running out of arguments as you are resorting to attacking my physical tendencies as a woman.
And for your information, my views on God did NOT please Gorbash because of his atheism. If he was pleased at all, it was because he felt his views on evolution were being ingnored since he does not believe in God. He thought if I wrote a Christian's view, people might be more willing to listen.
girlscout read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 10:28 AM

hunter - I agree. The Bible is riddled with parables, even in the New Testament. Jesus even says he is talking in parables so the "simple" people will understant his message. Why would this not also be true of the Old Testament? A simple, naive, illiterate people would not understand or have known yet about evolution. A simple story is written so that the chosen ones understand that their God made them and this world.
And by the way, Hybrid - you are in the minority. Most Christians I know believe in evolution. Even my mom, who is a conservative and a Christian, believes in evolution.
TheShadowKnows read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 10:47 AM

This is just a general observation not directed to anyone. Is religion or God man's creation? I wonder. Do we need God for our mental health?
They were called heathens but in fact the American Indians even though isolated from the east as they were by the Atlantic Ocean did in fact believe in one God that created everything. Coincidence? Is it simply coincidence that they believed much the same as humans from Europe BEFORE they had contact with them?
And then on to the Universe. Being thinking humans we think that everything has to start somewhere, somehow, at some time. But what if the Universe did not have a begining? What if it just always was? By human thinking, if there was a begining, there is probably also an end. That is a future non-existance of the Universe. The last that I have read, scientists are currently saying that the Universe has no edge. It just goes on and on in every direction.
As for other intelligent humans in the Universe. I personally believe that there are other intelligent humans somewhere in the Universe. Why? Because the odds are against us being the only ones. Our galaxy (The Milky Way) has billions of stars within it. Many of which could have their own solar systems. The Universe has millions more galaxies each with it's own billions of stars. The chances are that there is at least one more Earth type planet somewhere out in the Universe with humans upon it.
But so what? The distances are so great that we will never be in communication with them. We will never see or meet them. So for all practical purposes we are it. But I don't think tha
TheShadowKnows read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 10:50 AM

But I don't think that we are alone.
HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 3:25 PM

GS: "hybrid - I think what the words of Timothy are warning me about is YOU.
The two belief systems are NOT contradictory in my eyes - only yours." ---

How about a known and respected and great Christian leader like Charles Spurgeon?

‘In its bearing upon religion this vain notion is, however, no theme for mirth, for it is not only deceptive, but it threatens to be mischievous in a high degree. There is not a hair of truth upon this dog from its head to its tail, but it rends and tears the simple ones. In all its bearing upon scriptural truth, the evolution theory is in direct opposition to it. If God’s Word be true, evolution is a lie. I will not mince the matter: this is not the time for soft speaking.’ - Charles Spurgeon
HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Oct 2, 2007 | 3:28 PM

"why cant the book of genesis be a metaphor?"

A metaphor? Not in a Christian worldview. Jesus spoke of Creation, and marriage and the flood (Matt 19:3-6; 24:37-39). If Jesus didn't say these things were metaphors, but real events, I have to believe him.
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