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Completed in 1970, this socialized health plan provides free public healthcare. Every Canadian receives free doctors’ visits, free hospital care, free surgery, and free medicine while in the hospital. So well known and regarded, Canada’s healthcare system has long been looked to as a shining example of what socialized medicine could be and even won an international award for excellence in 1993.
  Even though Canada’s Healthcare plan has had such a positive history it is now plagued with problems. Some of these problems include lack of doctors, lack of beds and supplies, and very long waiting periods for medical attention. Because of these problems arising in Canada’s healthcare there has been quite a debate going on in Canada over socialized medicine. Many people argue that these problems are due to the fallacies of socialized medicine claiming,

  “Socialized medicine, like all other forms of socialism, is a world-wide failure. As people throughout the world from the Soviet Union to South America are learning, socialism cannot work. Socialized medicine results in skyrocketing demand for nominally “free” health care, doctors being over-burdened, medical services steadily deteriorating, and endless waiting periods for health services”(Wollstein 24).
  Apparently the Canadian government feels that an extreme waiting list will not kill you. This is not so when headlines like “Lack of beds and long lines killed my hubby, wife claims” appear in their newspapers. But even if the wait does not kill you, data published by Statistics Canada indicate that 45% of all patients waiting for healthcare say they are in pain. Some of these waits can be up to 6 months and according to Mr. Walker of the Fraser Institute, “The physical and psychological pain can be devastating.”

  These lists have become so bad that many Canadians are now crossing the border into the United States to receive medical treatment. This phenomenon of border crossing became prevalent in 1987 and has grown larger year by year. In fact by 1994 over 30% of Canadians have crossed the United States border for medical treatment of one type or another. Border hopping to avoid lines has now become a common practice for anyone who can afford to pay for medical services in American hospitals. Unless the Canadian government owns up to its responsibilities this problem is going to continue to grow. In fact people on waiting lists grow each year by 20%.
  Due to lack of money for services and lack of doctors, patients are placed on long waiting lists. These waiting lists are so severe that women, on average, wait 6 months just for a pap smear and depending on the seriousness of your case you can be seen as early as 3.5 weeks for chemotherapy or up to 33 weeks for orthopedic surgery. Either way both of these waits are exceedingly long. In fact, a 1993 study found that Canadian cancer patients were waiting an average of three times longer than patients in the Untied States for treatment and one third longer than what their doctors thought was clinically reasonable. Even the wait that Canadian doctors deemed clinically reasonable was 33% to 50% longer than what United States doctors thought reasonable. Is this the type of healthcare you want for your family? 
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Erock327 read my blog
Jul 15, 2007 | 11:51 AM

Great, now we gotta build TWO walls, eh?

;)

asnapper read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 12:17 PM

Go tell this that to gorbash81...he thinks this kind of heathcare would be the greatest thing since ice cream.

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 2:50 PM

Sapper;

Only becuase it is free. I think the golden rule also implies you get what you pay for!

asnapper read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 4:12 PM

Ellak..You are right there..I heard it invites terrorist like the ones in London.

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 4:17 PM

Actually the Golden Rule states that you should treat others how you would like to be treated! So if you want to suffer and not be able live because you cannot afford insurance, or you have no problem being denied coverage by you insurance comp. then keeping things as they are now would be ok. Do you want to live in a society where people die because they cannot get health insurance due to illness and medical conditions? Is it right for people who have MS or MD or Cerebral Palsy and other handicapped people to be denied medical care?

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 4:19 PM

And more Americans enter Canada and Mexico for the cheap medicine prescriptions and over the counter to save their own lives, than Canadians who enter the U.S.

asnapper read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 4:26 PM

I don't think people with MS, MD or Cerebral Palsy get denied healthcare...That is where medicare comes in because they are deemed disabled..People with low income or no income get Medicaid don't they...So that leaves middle class and they can buy insurance. The ones that are a little above the low income can go the Government run clinics they charge on a sliding scale and their medicine is a couple of dollars..

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 4:35 PM

Yes they do, because if they make enough money to "afford" insurance they have to pay alot to get it, and they will still get denied coverage because insurance companies exist to make money, not to save peoples lives.

And there exists those on the right wing who want to get rid of Medicaid and Medicare also! They want to privatize everything! Even Public Education!

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 4:37 PM

My sister has cerebral palsy, and she had a problem with her spleen, and didn't go to the hospital because she couldn't afford to pay up, so she waited until she almost died, and had to pay up anyway, and now she is in severe financial debt because of it! If you don't believe me, maybe I should convince her to come on this site and explain it to you.

asnapper read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 4:45 PM

I thought hospitals couldn't refuse anyone the right to care...

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 5:50 PM

Snapper; your correct! every hospital has to treat you regarless of your ability to pay. this is why people say the price of care is so high, covering those who have no insurance such as illeagal alians for example. That is why the comment to Gorbashes Canadian health care story where an american got treated for one year in the hospital. If they refused anyone and they die the system would be liable. same story here. they peobably only went to another country so the can't be held liable for the bills later.

ladalang read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 6:00 PM

I doubt there is an ounce fo truth to any of this. It's propaganda obviously. The propaganda machine is live and well. Too bad you fell for it.

asnapper read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 6:42 PM

Ladalang...I agree it is all propaganda, I have relatives in a foreign countrie thet have the free healthcare and when I was there they told me if I got sick I would be better off to fly back to the states.

gamer173 read my blog view my photos
Jul 15, 2007 | 7:14 PM

I know for one if I was a canadian citizen I would not be happy paying for a families care from another country. Especially if they came over to Canada for no other reason but to get free care.

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Jul 16, 2007 | 1:09 AM

Asnapper- they said that because they don't want to pay for a non citizen's health care costs especially when they can afford to (if they can afford to travel abroad, they can probably afford to fly back to the states and get care there).

All the more reason to have Universal HealthCare here, so the poor and the sick don't need to go to other countries like Canada to get medicine and treatment

Zeeball read my blog view my photos
Jul 16, 2007 | 7:46 AM

Hey, I make a car payment every month which I get taxed on and pay interest. I pay taxes on gas to drive my car, maybe I should get free car insurance? I make a house payment, pay interest on that, property tax on my house, maybe I should get free homeowners insurance? Nothing is free..So here's the exchange. I pay 10-20% more in taxes so that now I can't afford my house? So now I can't afford my car or food? There are many sacrifices in FREE anything and it costs somewhere. Say if taxes increased 20%. Take one day of your weeks pay and give it up. You make 50K, give up an extra 10K to Uncle Sam. I could buy some decent health insurance with that a still have a few bucks left to ruin my health with a Big Daddy burger with extra cheese...

klh1886 read my blog view my photos
Jul 16, 2007 | 10:50 AM

Ever since the Cleveland Clinic (I believe) allowed a patient to die in there parking lot many years ago for lack of coverage NO hospital is allowed to deny treatment for serious medical emergencies. Unfortunately they have went to the extreme. Now they don't deny anyone for anything. So now the paying customers have to pick up the tab for the many non payers who went for something ridiculous.

BereaSings read my blog
Jul 16, 2007 | 11:17 AM

It's true. Hospitals can not deny emergency care. The problem is you can't get a regular office visit or medications for any non-emergency visit. There are so many conditions people have and cannot get help untill they are at an emergency state.

As far as I am concerned, I have insurance and cannot afford to see a doctor because of high deductables. I'll have to wait untill an emergency just like people who have no insurance.

BereaSings read my blog
Jul 16, 2007 | 11:21 AM

Gorbas81 is right!

SOCIALIZED HEALTH PLAN IS THE GREATEST THING SINCE ICE CREAM!

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Jul 16, 2007 | 2:35 PM

Gorbash

Everyday your on this website swinging trash all hours of the day till the early morning. Use that time to work a part time job just two times a week and you will have enough money by the end of the month to buy your own top of the line insurance! Just two days week part time minimum wage is all you have to do to insure yourself since your young unmarried and no children. Try that instead of slamming others for working for what they have and asking for something for free like you are. Or you can continue wasting your life away blogging all day and not working which would put you where you are now broke and uninsured.

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