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by DavidDexter from Cleveland-Akron-Cant

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I've always felt that history, in and of itself, is something for us to learn how to prevent ourselves from making the same tragic mistakes over and over again.

But I never thought history should be carried as a personalized burden and convenient excuse for the promotion of personal agendas - which many people (regardless of race or background) seem to like to do.

Having said that, I've once again started to hear the old worn out whine "you did this to me, you owe it to me" from members of the black community as they attempt to identify the root cause of all of their problems as the white and now (surprisingly enough) emerging Hispanic communities.  

Blaming it all on the white community and "slavery" is nothing new.  Same old song and dance routine.  But now also blaming Hispanics?  That was a new twist for me to hear ... and a real stretch in my opinion.  

If anything, I would have thought descendants of the indigenous South American natives would be leading that charge.  I don't remember Cortes hanging up a "Whites Only - Colored Entrance In Rear" sign anywhere in Mexico, but he did destroy and enslave the Aztecs.  The only explanation I can come up with is that with so much illegal immigration from south of the United States border, social services that the black community once considered strictly for their own benefit are now being sucked dry by the influx of *new* minorities.  And they don't like anyone encroaching upon their free meal tickets.

What I seem to be missing from the black community on a large scale is wholesale acknowledgment of their OWN HAND in the problems that are plaguing their communities today.

It's easier to blame some long dead white plantation owner and claim that what happened to enslaved blacks 100 years ago in the cotton fields of the deep south has caused your current Methamphetamine drug addiction which resulted in the shooting incident of your girlfriend because she wore a $2.97 knock-off LeBron James thong to bed - of whom you consider is a mouthpiece puppet for "The Man."

What happened before the Civil War, shouldn't be a focus to excuse the attitudes of so many current self-proclaimed "under-achieved black people" ... but it seems the black community uses this as a measuring stick.  When the going gets tough ... instead of rising up to the challenge, they buckle and blame "The White Man" for all of their woes.  Instead of giving it their best shot, they simply give up and perpetuate the "pity me and give me money because YOU OWE IT TO ME because because my great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather on my mother's uncle's father's grandmother's half-nephew's quarter-sister's side was a slave in Mississippi" cycle.

Personally, I've been lucky to have had parents who were legal immigrants to the United States who themselves were once oppressed and know what true oppression is (I have a feeling that most people who whine about being oppressed in the United States haven't a clue of what true oppression is) ... but still had the sense to instill in my siblings and I the power of an education, the strength of knowing what history has taught us, and most importantly - the life ethic that only YOU are responsible for what YOUR life becomes.  YOU choose to allow yourself to be oppressed.  You choose to allow others to trample and defeat you.  You choose the life you lead and whether or not you live in the past or present.  For me to blame a long since defunct fascist regime that oppressed my parents in the last century for my current cellphone bill would be stupid.  I could do it, but Verizon couldn't care less - I used the phone, I racked up the charges ... not the tyrant of the oppressive regime.  I could demand that the descendants of that oppressive regime PAY ME for their oppression of my parents so I could pay my cell phone bill ... but technically, if such people could be found, they didn't oppress ME so what claim do I have to anything?  My parents who were oppressed, yes.  Me - no.

The "you did this to me, you owe it to me" rhetoric I'm starting to hear again from members of our black community, to me, translates to: "I don't want to be responsible for my own life and don't want to work to make it worth living, give me money for something that didn't even happen to me in my lifetime so I can continue not to be responsible."

Neither myself nor the current Hispanic or White communities owe you anything ...
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dprin339 read my blog view my photos
Nov 19, 2007 | 12:55 PM

david, i just can't help but laugh (HARD) at the irony of this.......good job

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Nov 19, 2007 | 3:54 PM

The history does have a significant impact on the present.

The Native Americans have never really recovered from the genocide sponsored by the United States Government- they may never be at the same numbers they once were- and people who live on Native American "reservations" are still today being treated like the enemy- as if they are immigrants on their own land- in fact the United States still today refuses to honor the treaties and agreements made with the sovereign nations and tribes it has signed!

I will speak of the United States Government- which is a goverment that is a Democracy and is thus run by the people (mostly caucasian/European)- The U.S. government has not held true to its agreements with the peoples of the North America on issues such as land and mineral rights, nor on other religious rights issues.

The United States DOES owe these Native American groups for the land it stole from their nations and tribes- land stolen illegaly and in violation of international laws and treaties signed by the United States.

DavidDexter read my blog
Nov 19, 2007 | 5:18 PM

gorbash81: The United States DOES owe these Native American groups for the land it stole from their nations and tribes

But, it's still not a valid excuse to blame all of your personal problems someone else (or some other group of individuals) because you do not want to take responsibility for what you have done to yourself in the present.

Although Lakota, Northern Cheyenne, and Arapaho Indians decimated the 7th Cavalry at Little Big Horn ... a present day 7th Cavalry descendant who is accused of spousal abuse has no right to blame his personal actions on the Lakota, Northern Cheyenne, and Arapaho Native American descendants living today.

Mrrick read my blog
Nov 19, 2007 | 6:11 PM

DavidDexter, Interesting points. We can't forget that originally, it was blacks selling blacks TO the white people. No blame there, of course.

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Nov 19, 2007 | 7:59 PM

History shows that African tribe leaders sold slaves from other tribes and also their own tribal members to prevent loss/competition of position or title/rank within their own tribes. Also, tribal leaders sold slaves for money & trade. And it was not the whites that first brought slaves over, it was the Spanish. The Dutch also purchased slaves in the same manner for use as servants not slaves. Later is when the English started the slave trade here in the United States where the then white American settlers took slavery to a new sad and disgusting level. Slavery in the early days was a very expectable form of trade both in African tribes and American labor. America was built on and by the blood and sweat of both African and Asians. We would not be where we are today if not for our fellow African and Asian American comrades. Based on that, it is both terrible and cruel for some people today that do not or will not see them as equal. If it were not for laws and legislation, African Americans would not be where they are today in America. That in it’s self proves there is still racism in today’s America.

quarryshark read my blog view my photos
Nov 19, 2007 | 11:12 PM

Bravo, excellent post. Also Ellak makes some great points that are most often overlooked in this debate.

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 1:32 AM

Ellak-The Spanish are white.

David Dexter- I don't think it's a valid excuse for criminal behavior, but it is a significant factor in race relations and policy, and should be, because we cannot pretend that racism and xenophobia does not exist- pretending it doesn't exist only makes it stronger, it does not make it go away.

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 9:03 AM

Besides the long ago past of Slavery and the Middle Passage- there is still people alive today who suffered under Jim Crow Laws in the South and Segregation- people who either lived and were discriminated against in that time or people once removed from that time.

There is also the issue of discrimination at the workplace and hiring practices, discrimination from buying houses or renting in certain neighborhoods, and inequality between inner city and largly black schools and suburban mostly white schools.

JenBen1 read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 9:18 AM

This is an excellent post, it really makes a person think. I have also heard persons of minorities say that "the white man" or "the man" is opressing them. This is kind of amusing to me because there are so many oppertunities for a person of a minority decent to advance in our society. I believe in equality, I don't look at colors, I see people, and what they show me they are worth. I hate to hear someone blame my decendents for why they are so down trodden. And no, I am not racist, or a xenophob. I am a 23 year old FEMALE Firefighter, talk about a turn of pace. If the women of the world all got together and said that "the man" was holding them back, and he owes us something for what our "sisters" went through back in the day, why men would laugh! Out loud even. Work hard and it'll pay off, that's life, don't blame anyone but yourself for the NOW!! :)

huntermorrison read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 9:58 AM

i swear we just did the same arguement last month. good post david dexter and as always i will take up the irish side by stating the english only enslaved the africans for 150 years while they killed and enslaved and supressed the irish and scotch for 1500 years but the irish and scotch persevered and are now great leaders in europe and america, not whining about supression.
(except in belfast)if you feel supressed, GET AN EDUCATION AND USE THE SYSTEM THAT WE WHITES CANT USE!!!

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 11:44 AM

Gorbash;

Technically speaking you are correct. Time frame wise the Spanish from Spain were involved in the Slave trade before our White British settlers started to use slaves. As far as today, The Spanish may beg to differ by your statement.

The point that I was making was in the early days of slavery, Both sides were equally involved and at fault. Many people never thought that the Spanish were considerd white even today when it came to the early days of slavery. But to have racism still around today after all that has been learned from our past,is truley sad don;t you think?

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 11:59 AM

Racists claim to not be racist- or that racism is ok and normal.

Xenophobes claim that its ok to kill immigrants and put them in concentration camps in Cuba.

Homophobes use Christianity to justify their hatred and evil

JenBen1 read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 12:20 PM

I agree, racists like to say they are not racist, it's common. Xenophobes, I'm not so sure claim it is okay to kill immigrants, I don't know to many that off the wall. Xenophobes are persons who are unduly fearful of that which is different, as in culture race religion, etc. And not all homophobes are Christian, besides, Christians use the BIBLE to justify their hatred ( but in my opinion it's only the fanatics that do that!). Really though, what does that have to do with someone saying the wrongs done in the past DIRECTLY affect them? Again, women don't pull the sexism card every time we are denied a pay raise, a job, or promotion. We just work harder for what we want. I also notice you say nothing about sexism, that's just as serious today as it ever was.

And while I have you here, in case you are implying that I am a racist, I assure you I am not. When I was in high school (which really wasn't that long ago) I had a crush on a "minority" boy, (for lack of better wording!!). I didn't see his color, I saw his big heart, his sweet disposition, and his beautiful smile.

Not everyone here is negative about everything! :)

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 12:48 PM

Spain was using slaves a thousand years prior to the British settlers here in the now United States. The Spanish also used slaves when conquering the Caribbean islands, Mexico and South America hundreds of years ago. Also, Spain was occupied by Romens/Rome prior to the founding of Spain/England/British and thousands of years prior to the United States of Americas. Rome has used Slaves for thousands of years prior to the founding of Spain. So many people today think Slavery was Started Here in the United States. When in Fact, it has been going on for thousands of years beginning thousands of years before the Americas were even known to exist let alone discovered.

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 2:53 PM

Again, women don't pull the sexism card every time we are denied a pay raise, a job, or promotion. We just work harder for what we want. I also notice you say nothing about sexism, that's just as serious today as it ever was."-JenBen

I haven't gotten around to pay inequality between men and women YET! But when I finish this semester- there will be ALOT of gorbash posts on Equality and tolerance that you might enjoy.

Ellak- I never claimed that slavery was a new concept or that the U.S. invented it- but the type of Plantation Style slave system was a concept that was developed in the United States.

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 6:24 PM

gorbash81

I know I mentioned that in my first statement when I said This Country took slavery to a new and discussing level. I was commenting to the many young people today that only think slavery was created here. I was trying to give a little history of how we actually got to where we are now when you made the comment the Spanish were the white people. I was not correcting anything you were saying. Amazing how so many people know so little of the African tribes and all other countries that were all willing participants in the slave trade. So many young people these days seem to think it was a American invention when you talk to many youth and some adults. They have no idea African leaders willingly sold slaves for profit.

dprin339 read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 6:55 PM

the only person in this world responsible for the condition of one's life is oneself.(as an adult) yes, terrible things have happened in this world to people, but, that does not have to hold anyone back from realizing their dreams. CHOOSE to make your life what you dream and you will. CHOOSE to whine about it and blame someone else & you will get nowhere. it's CHOICE everyone has it. sure, it will probably be hard work, harder for some than others even, but it CAN be done & there is no excuse for NOT taking care of one's own life. NONE

gorbash81 read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 8:38 PM

Ellak- I know- Have taken several African History and Anthropology Classes.

The fact that African tribes/nations sold other Africans to Americans and Europeans does not make it any less bad- but it does make it worse.

and Dprin- Somethings in life are inescapable, sometimes a person's life can be so ruined by their environment that free will cannot overcome Genetics and Environmental factors.

A person who is born in a bad neighborhood to the wrong single parent, has no realistic chance of succeeding in our society and most people deep down know that they are screwed from the moment they are born into this miserable world.

FREEDOMFREE read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 8:40 PM

OLD FREEDOM FEE , IS WHAT YOU SEE ,

EVERYBODY , IS A SLAVE FREE ,

JUST VOTE TO FREE , SLAVERY ,

THE VOTE IS FREE , FREEDOMFREE .

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Nov 20, 2007 | 9:08 PM

Gorbash;


I agree, I hope your not insinuating I’m trying to say otherwise. My purpose for bringing up the history of slavery is show those how long it has been going on, the origin. People that just say anyone can make it this world if they just stop crying is ridiculous at best! My goodness, why do you make me break down everything I write? You should know by now I would never condone racism. If racism has directly targeted a single race for thousands of years It is ridiculous and rude to tell that particular race today to stop complaining! Do you even bother to read what I write?

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